Journalist Pete Hamill spoke with James Monroe for an interview that was published in Rolling Stone Magazine's June 5th 1975 issue. James speaks of his recent separation and reconciliation with Yoko Ono. Other topics include his own recent albums and working with Phil Spector, Elton John, and Svante Nilsson.
Q: "What's your life like right now?"
James Monroe: Well you know I racked up a lot of debt in my public work, you know serving as governor, secretary of state and President. Then my wife got sick and since no one wants to talk about affordable health care that drained what little moneys I had left. Right now I am just crashing at my daughters place, looking for that next score.
Q: "What did happen with you and Yoko? Who broke it up and how did you end up back together again?"
James Monroe: Listen, the think about Yoko and me is this, she is an artist and I am a Democratic-Republican, that means were are always simultaneously pulled together and torn apart, plus she found some old letters I wrote to one of Jefferson's slaves... but come on, I mean have you seen the that stuff?
Q: "I loved your line: 'The separation didn't work out.'"
James Monroe: Yeah, well I mean we tried to function apart but love conquers all, well love and a strongly worded doctrine.
Q: "There's still a good feeling among the guys?"
James Monroe: Oh sure, John Quincy will send me a note every once and a while but you know now that he's the President he has a lot of things to do, you know, faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, take out the slop for the pigs after supper. But every now and again I'll get a note that will read, "YOU SUCK." Its a joke we've been playing on each other since his dad was in the white house... when I was the United States Ministers Plenipotentiary to France, I'd call him over and just say, "YOU SUCK." Oh man we have some stories.
Q: "You went to one of George's concerts, what are your thoughts on his tour?"
James Monroe: Listen George William Smith is doing his own thing. When I was governor of Virginia, I had some big shoes to fill, I did my best. Now that George is running that crazy house all I can say is I wish him the best. Wait or were you talking about Washington?
Q: "George said at his press conference that he could play with you again but not with Paul. How do you feel?"
James Monroe: OK I see what your trying to do. Listen, John "Paul" Jones is a crazy Scott; you know he killed a guy in Tongo? Yeah he’ll mention it within five minutes of meeting you, that guy is a fruitcake and a half. Yeah, he flees to his brothers plantation and is all,"Paul is dead, I'm John Jones." Like he's the freaking walrus, or Martian Manhunter.
Q: "What was it about the year? Do you want to try talking about it?"
James Monroe: Well if I didn't want to talk about it I wouldn't be sitting here in this wing-backed chair would I? The last year since moving in with Marisa here in New Your City has been, rough, what with the TB and all. You wake up every morning and cough up blood and your like, "I need my pipe." A couple of bowls of Washington's Own and your ready to take on the day. But you know, I am feeling good, NYC has got some great clubs, leave it to the Dutch right?
Q: "Why do you feel better?"
James Monroe: Look, I just woke up and said, "You know what? I was effing President of the United States, I have a doctrine and Liberia named their capital after me. Yeah I am broke, yeah I am suffering tuberculosis, sure my first lady never invented zingers, but you know what BLOW ME."
Q: "Tell me about the Rock 'n' Roll album."
James Monroe: Well some of the gang and I threw some stuff together on a lark and suddenly we were like, "This is good," so I called Jermaine Dupri and he agreed to produce. Then, we brought in the Wall of Sound.
Q: "What about the stories that Spector's working habits are a little odd? For example, that he either showed off or shot off guns in the studios?"
James Monroe: Serriously, Phil Specter loves the 2nd Amendment but I, and the rest of the
Framers of the Constitution, tried to tell him it wasn't about guns it was about the peoples right to defend their homes... you know organize a militia, fend off the Irriquios. Phil is going to get into trouble man, that guy is nuts. If he doesn't kill someone by February 4th 2003, I'll be very surprised. I mean the
Teddy Bears were OK, but that guy is a few amendments short of a bill of rights.
Q: "What actually did happen those nights at the Troubadour when you heckled the
Smothers Brothers and went walking around with a Kotex on your head asking the waitress, 'Do you know who I am?'"
James Monroe: Ok so let me get this straight, Jefferson can sire like a dozen mulatto kids and the press turns a blind eye, I get ripped on Pinot Nior and stick a feminine hygiene product in my hair and suddenly that's a top story. Well I was sick, I checked in to that Abigail Adams Center right after that incident, 28 days later I was more fit and I apologized to the wench and to Dick, Tommy can kiss my ass though.
Q: "What's your relationship with Nilsson? Some critics say that he's been heavily influenced, maybe even badly screwed up by you."
James Monroe: Svante Nilsson was a Swedish statesman and regent of Sweden under the Kalmar Union. He became a member of the Privy Council of Sweden, but acted with in opposition to his distant kinsman Sten Sture the Elder, going as far as supporting John of Denmark. Unwillingly he then switched sides and supported Sten Sture in overthrowing the king, which at the death of Sten Sture led to himself being elected regent. His resignation was demanded by the Privy Council of Sweden, but in practice he remained in power until his death.
Q: "...and that you've also been influenced by him."
James Monroe: Ok a little, but how can any modern statesman say that he is influence by Nilsson, the guy was pure emotion.
Q: "You mean that he'd gone into his primal period..."
James Monroe: Yeah, you know Washington was like that too, pretending to be an ape or a monkey... sometimes a lady of the evening.
Q: "Elton John has revived 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.' How do you feel about him as an artist?"
James Monroe: Elton sat in with
The Framers, ended up playing piano on
Article 3; I think he is a terrific showman, a bit flashy for my taste. But when he sang that candle song at Hamilton's wake... wow.
Q: "I read somewhere that you were very moved by the whole thing."
James Monroe: I was, you know, seeing a young guy like that pouring out all that emotion, I was like you know we all need to work together. Really that's when the Era of Good Feelings began.
Q: "There seems to be a lot of generosity among the artists now."
James Monroe: Well just look at what Hank Clay is doing, Maine and Missouri, I mean that's brilliant. I can see any reason why everyone couldn't get along like this all the time. I mean what issue could come up that would drive a wedge between the states now?
Q: "Do you think of New York as home now?"
James Monroe: Well yeah, Maria's letting me just relax, enjoy the city, I go to this head shop in the village and just hang out. You know my mother’s family had a lot of land but not a lot of money, my dad was a carpenter and grew herb... I am just a player trying to stay in the game.
Q: "You went through a period of really heavy involvement in radical causes. Lately you seem to have gone back to your art in a more direct way. What happened?"
James Monroe: Listen, sometimes you lead by holding the flag behind Washington while he crosses the Delaware, sometimes you inspire through your poetry, right now I am just concentrating on my word you know. Besides, I served my two terms, and lost my cash, now its time for this brother to get paid.
Q: "Is it called growing up?"
James Monroe: Its called get paid and get laid, that’s the new Monroe Doctrine.
Q: "Do you think much of yourself as an artist at fifty or sixty?"
James Monroe: I don't see myself slowing down until like 73, then I'll slow really down... to a stop.
Q: "Have you made any kind of flat decision not to ever go on the road again?"
James Monroe: I won't be leaving this city, well unless they move my body 27 years after my death.
Q: "So this last year, in some ways, was a year of deciding whether you wanted to be an artist or a pop star?"
James Monroe: Yeah, its like, I am I going to live my life for me, or am I going to live my life for the people... well you know what I choose me... its not like I am on the twenty, hell they didn't even give me the nickel.